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calliopes_pen ([personal profile] calliopes_pen) wrote2005-05-28 08:28 am

JLA Classified

There's something I'm not too clear on. Specifically about Tora, aka Ice. Were Bea and Tora ever together? They seemed to be very close in a certain issue of a series I'm reading.

Or were Tora and Guy Gardner ever together? (I know she at least had a crush on him--that's all I was ever able to find out.)

I'm trying to avoid spoilers for those who haven't been reading this series.

[identity profile] shadowlongknife.livejournal.com 2005-05-28 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Tora and Guy dated, and if you believe Gerard Jones's incarnation of the JLA (I tend not to, as it was kind of sucky), Tora and Bea weren't, but Bea wanted them to be.

And for the record, I don't buy Gerard's version of the JLA because Nuklon and Obsidian were written PAINFULLY poorly, not because of anything having to do with Bea. Don't even get me started on The Yazz, or the horrible shite that Jones did to my boy Deadshot.

[identity profile] fair-witness.livejournal.com 2005-05-28 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Tora and Guy were. Bea and Tora were best friends (though there are probably plenty of people who will insist it was more than that).

[identity profile] magikfanfic.livejournal.com 2005-05-28 02:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Ice was in love with Guy for a long, long time. And she and Fire were like best friends.

Beyond that I have no idea.
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[identity profile] liviapenn.livejournal.com 2005-05-29 04:00 am (UTC)(link)

The Tora/Bea slashiness comes mainly from two things-- first, that Tora and Beatriz were super, super close friends despite being utterly different in personality, lifestyle, etc. Second, Bea was never behind the Guy/Tora relationship, often telling Tora that Guy was wrong for her, etc. (Guy/Tora is, honestly, even MORE of an unlikely couple than Tora/Bea, in terms of how different they are.) So you can read that as Bea just being a protective "big sister," but it's also easy to read it as Bea having feelings of jealousy (whether she personally realized it was jealousy of Guy is up in the air.)

Then, at one point after Tora died, she and Guy talked about how much they both loved Tora, and they actually kissed, which is just WEIRD. Personally the only way that makes sense to me is that it was some kind of triangulation, rather than Bea actually liking Guy in that way.

[identity profile] cruelest-month.livejournal.com 2005-05-29 05:16 am (UTC)(link)
Right. Meant to answer this easlier but LJ hates me.

Bea cared very, very deeply for Tora. Tora was her best friend and hints have been made that they meant more than that. Umm...yeah it wasn't the best writing but Bea and the Tora-replacement have a very ood moment that either indicates that they were intimate or that the loss has just made Bea realize the extent of her feeling or what have you.

Whatever you want to describe their relationship as, it was pretty serious. Like Booster and Beetle's. And really you can see Ted and Michael as hetrosexual life-partners or more if you wanted to. I think Tora and Bea could be seen in more or less the same way.